A really good list FF. Jesus got it wrong in the first century and Jehovah's Witnesses imagining that the Bible is prophetic, always get it wrong, There is no such thing as "God's kingdom" its just a marketing ploy for Christian religions.
Half banana
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Watchtower's 49 Date Failures Mostly Ditched Without Fanfare
by FatFreek 2005 inwatchtower's apparent obsession with calendar dates is legendary.
what follow's are snippets from the main article.
link will follow.. .
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Elders encouraging young ones to live in a fairy tale
by Addison0998 inso one of the elders at the meeting tonight addressed to parents in his talk, “if your child wants to flip burgers for the rest of their life, because that’s is the only job that will allow them to have a schedule for full time service, you would want to support them the best you can.” he has also said told parents that if their children already have plans to go to college, even in the near future, they should try to do everything to stop them.
there’s so much ranting i could do about that alone, but to make matters worse, this is a considerably well off man.
he has his own buisness, a nice house with an additional room he added on last year, and him and his wife just took a lavish european trip.
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Half banana
To be a JW means to give up your own thinking, which is a desperately bad idea by anyone's standards.
Instead of rational thought you are obliged to receive the thinking of a cult which covers over the bald fact that its predictions of the "time of the end" have always been wrong and always will be wrong. There is no such thing as the time of the end, it is one of the fictions implanted in he brains of unthinking JWs to create both hope and anxious dependence on the governing body.
The reasonable thing to do is to escape the cult compound with its fairy tale mentality as soon as possible and make up for the mistake of being a JW by getting a college education.
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Hello
by Hendrixgrip inhi, this is my long overdue introduction.
i’ve been visiting this site since probably around 2011. in that time, i’ve taken a lot from these discussions and never contributed anything.
i’m not sure that i have much to contribute these days because i just don’t pay too much attention to wt land.
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Half banana
Welcome to the site as a poster Hendrixgrip you are most welcome here!
Looking at the references in the older publications (which you have kindly supplied) just demonstrates how fragile if not foolish was the basis for their portentous claims.
The JW belief system is a house of cards. . .
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The 24 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower's Most Heralded Date, 1914
by FatFreek 2005 inthe year 1914 would be disappointing.
perhaps even more so than the great disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a baptist preacher, william miller.
it placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity.
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Half banana
It's interesting to get a new insight from your quotations FF: so Armageddon according to the Watchtower and Russell had begun in 1874 and was to finish by 1914. History has however proved all JW predictions wrong.
The fact of the matter is that the organisation which is now called JW org but in 1914 was under CT Russell's direction, believed that the year 1914 was the date by which the full influence of God's kingdom would take effect on Earth, i.e.paradise in the absence of God's enemies, this having already begun in the heavens in 1874.
The laughable thing is that the exact opposite happened; instead of world-wide peace in 1914, the First World War began. The modern Watchtower spin on the events of that time is pure deceiving claptrap.
JW leadership are masters at reinventing their past. Actually to tell the faithful today that they got 1914 right --as they do-- is an out and out falsehood-- but they have no conscience.
The JW governing body are so thoroughly deluded and arrogant that they think they have a divine right to lie, it's little wonder they want all of their old literature burned.
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How Religious Fundamentalism Hijacks The Brain- Psychology Today
by Brokeback Watchtower inhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201810/how-religious-fundamentalism-hijacks-the-brain.
in moderation, religious and spiritual practices can be great for a person’s life and mental well-being.
but religious fundamentalism—which refers to the belief in the absolute authority of a religious text or leaders—is almost never good for an individual.
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Half banana
Why are you preaching to us Newtonian? We already know the Bible here. (We welcome you nevertheless!)
No one is going to disagree with showing love but belief in God is not a necessary ingredient to show love for our fellow man.
It is demeaning to imagine we need instruction especially, JW instruction, from the conflicted and ancient Bible to be able to live a good life.
Lastly how can you prove the statement "God is love" when there is no tangible, testable, provable evidence for his existence? This fatuous line God is love, has no more weight than me saying my cat is love and you can only show love if you know my cat. The Bible here is saying that only lovers of God can show love; this is irrational and should be dismissed. Do try critical thinking for a change.
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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?
by Earthmeasured insorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.
im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.
i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.
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Half banana
On this website members live on different longitudes. Some are getting up as others are going to bed. In Europe and South Africa the time now is around 10 or 11 pm. in the USA and Canada it is between five and eight hours earlier in the same day, In India and the far east it is already tomorrow, in Australasia late morning.
How on earth can this demonstration of the spherical and spinning nature of the planet be contradicted?
Except for the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses exist, it is hard to believe that other people hold even more bizarre ideas.
There are many good explanations on the internet of Eratosthenes' method of calculating the diameter of the Earth.
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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?
by Earthmeasured insorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.
im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.
i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.
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Half banana
Mr geometer, indeed the Bible does use the Hebrew word ball or sphere (dur or duwr) as at Isaiah 22;18 but not for the Earth where as we are all aware it is described as a circle. This is not divinely inspired but like most of the Bible, it's a reflection of the thinking of the time period. People's view of the world in the 6th century BC was of a glass-like heavenly dome covering a flat Earth as poetically interpreted in Isaiah 40,22 using the Hebrew word chug meaning circle. Dur can also mean circle but chug cannot mean (to my knowledge) a sphere.
The ancient Greeks using measurements, later determined not only that the Earth was a sphere but also measured the size of the planet. Towards the end of the 2nd century BC Eratosthenes of Alexandria determined the diameter of the globe by logical analysis of the angle of the sun simultaneously in two locations at a known distance apart.
However if you still place the words of the Bible above either common sense or scientific evidence, then I'm afraid there is little hope for you ever understanding anything.
The Bible is not reliable for facts it is an ancient STORYBOOK and bears all the evidence of human authorship.
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New witness a bit lost
by purelove20 innot sure it's ok to post here about that.
im sorry if i'm wrong but i'm just trying to find my way and meet people that could help me become a good witness.
i recently discovered my faith as a witness.
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Purelove, when I was young I was idealistic and I met Jehovah's Witnesses, At the time it seemed like an answer to the problems of both mine and the worlds. Because as a JW you are severely discouraged to investigate the origins of the religion and learn about their hopeless failures in predicting the end you will be led away from reality and get unwittingly sucked into a heartless cult.
OK JWs are decent people but that in itself does not make their belief system right.
I can honestly say that the worse experiences of my family life have been due to the unchristian and irrational beliefs of the JW organisation.
For your safety, sanity and well-being please be sceptical of a religion which promises a perfect life. . .there is no such thing. Happiness comes from our own thoughtful efforts not impossible cult beliefs.
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The downfall of the Governing Body
by john.prestor inin a book i read a while back by the sociologist randall collins he says truly powerful people don't get angry because they get what they want in other ways, and he shows a picture of two runners where the one who's losing looks at the girl that passes her rather than ahead at the finish line, guess she doesn't wanna win the race after all.
i want to apply these to the governing body and their actions, the pattern of their actions, in printing all the hateful rhetoric against people like us and why l'm pretty sure, pretty damn confident in fact, it's all downhill from here... thanks to them and them alone.. the moment you let somebody get in your head and let them stay there they beat you, they win, they establish power, we got in their heads, they know we present a threat to them, we won't shut up, we're more brazen than we used to be, we're in the news, we're on tv, we're online we're at conventions we're in the kingdom halls, hell we're just about everywhere.
yeah, we don't have this completely down yet, sometimes we come on too strong or do something stupid, and i'm pointing the finger at myself here too, but for the most part we know how to fight this battle: we drag them into the light when they wanna hide in the dark like jackals lurking in the woods sneaking up on weak and wounded deer.
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Half banana
Yes Pepperheart if your figures are correct, it reflects the apathy within the flock.
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The downfall of the Governing Body
by john.prestor inin a book i read a while back by the sociologist randall collins he says truly powerful people don't get angry because they get what they want in other ways, and he shows a picture of two runners where the one who's losing looks at the girl that passes her rather than ahead at the finish line, guess she doesn't wanna win the race after all.
i want to apply these to the governing body and their actions, the pattern of their actions, in printing all the hateful rhetoric against people like us and why l'm pretty sure, pretty damn confident in fact, it's all downhill from here... thanks to them and them alone.. the moment you let somebody get in your head and let them stay there they beat you, they win, they establish power, we got in their heads, they know we present a threat to them, we won't shut up, we're more brazen than we used to be, we're in the news, we're on tv, we're online we're at conventions we're in the kingdom halls, hell we're just about everywhere.
yeah, we don't have this completely down yet, sometimes we come on too strong or do something stupid, and i'm pointing the finger at myself here too, but for the most part we know how to fight this battle: we drag them into the light when they wanna hide in the dark like jackals lurking in the woods sneaking up on weak and wounded deer.
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Half banana
This ship of fools will go off clucking into the sunset and hardly anyone will take notice.
Even with a stricter viewpoint along with the perpetual hype of nearness to the end, the true believers increasingly just take it all calmly with a pinch of salt and are happy to stay in the "best life ever" social club (for the mentally myopic).
Meanwhile the GB are running round like headless chickens with bigger and better threats to keep the faithful in the the cult compound.Seriously who can possibly trust a man who looks at fashion clothing as a marker of Christianity? The GB don't know that fashion is more powerful than cult leaders because it has to do with the mating instinct! Shhh don't tell them.
Tight pants Tony and his crew are abysmally short on insight into human hearts and needs. They also lack the flexibility to alter course and therefore stick with what has served the cult well in the past: a defiant spirit of no compromise when something can be quoted from the Bible. This makes them feel warm inside but as the "two witness" injunction shows, the insistence on Biblical precedent is not the course of practical wisdom because it results in harming the abused. The leaders of the JW cult put Bible dogma before the welfare of the individuals in the flock. The world now calls this behaviour unacceptable and abusive--and rightly so. The world moves forward but the GB are stuck in a religious mire.
Without a radical change--which they are not offering or contemplating--they will not be able to take the religion forward when all the odds are now stacked against them. You can only fight a war on one or two fronts, five or six fronts i.e. financial downturn, ageing congregants, child abuse fines, internet transparency, better education everywhere outside the org, declining numbers, decline of religious sentiment et al, is too much strain their rigid system.
However the Watchtower delusion will remain for those elderly JWs who are incapable of thinking for themselves but the power of the organisation I think will evaporate.